#fiden rants

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Made goobers

Based on this chicken and also the hawk tongue hooks

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Good sebek thread tbh

Sebek appreciation thread

https://x.com/suiseihalations/status/1875756936895037740

Also pardon the screenshot quality

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Note: this is me just making a wonderland post about the canonical character in twisted wonderland based on translations, vignettes and manga. everyone has differing opinions and interpretations and I'm not gonna bicker about someone's version of Trey in their writing or their au.

I feel like some folks in twst fandom are realizing that canonical Trey isn't really like early/previous fandom Trey, who was characterized as a sweet completely normal bakerman who's also the heartslabyul mom, but instead of just going "oh yeah no, Trey can be petty and mischievous sometimes. usually in situations where there are others also being petty and mischievous while still keeping on top of his duties and engaging in his hobbies" some of the fandom seems to have swung to the other side of the spectrum and are like "oh? so trey has been living a lie this entire time! He actually HATES baking and he's got a ✨secret agenda✨ and he probably is a mastermind and is part of a heartslabyul shadow government!!!!"

And while i know that there's a good chance many are just being silly and making memes and jokes, i have seen the way fandom genuinely boils down characters and strips them of all nuance. Notable with the leech twins, sebek and rook who are all canonically dorks and goobers with their passions and interests in both the games and mangas. They're all intense but most are just awkward and passionate/invested in their interests. Like Sebek being boiled down to shouty malleus fanatic and ignore his various interests and hobbies. he can and will question Malleus notable in the recent chapters and also times when Malleus acts in a way that makes Sebek confused<- mainly in manga and vignettes. Like Floyd being boiled down to unhinged and unpredictable, when most of his actions and activities happen because he got bored of something being monotonous or tiring or repetitive and goes to look for something more interesting like drama or someone with strong reactions to mess with. Guy just gets bored and goes to look for something interesting. Or Rook who gets extremely invested in whatever is his current interest/passion to the point of ignoring everything else. Jade also does this. They're all goobers tbh. Just guys, just folks.

Trey Clover is also just a guy. He is just conflict avoidant tbh. Trey just wants to keep the peace, to make sure people aren't fighting, people are following the rules and aren't making messes. Like that's something he mentions often and that many of his actions reflect from how he checks in on all the students and makes sure they're following heartslabyul rules but doesn't tell Riddle about any rule breaks so as to keep peace, to holding back in activities so he doesn't draw attention and not mentioning stuff he might know specifically so that he doesn't get asked about it (notably when Jamil wants to read ancient texts and trey only reads it upon finding out it contained an ancient tooth paste recipe). He seeks convenience, peace and calm. He's not exactly a schemer, out to get something specific or complete some goal in life like those such as Jamil, Leona or Azul. He's also not necessarily someone solely attempting to coast by and only seek stimulus/fun like with Kalim and Cater.

He's not secretly cruel and not the secret mastermind behind heartslabyul. Yes, He's mischievous and sometimes petty. Notably he gets this way when other petty and mischievous people are around him and it's usually in response to those that were acting like that (messing with ace, messing with Jade, etc). He does care and he does look out for his dormmates and peers. Honestly if he truly didn't care about Riddle or Ace and Deuce then he really wouldn't have helped them, plus he doesn't necessarily go out of his way to help every person anyways. If he truly didn't care then he could've abandoned Riddle when he was at his lowest like the rest of the dorm, or even just let Ace and Deuce carry out their punishment instead of helping them bake tarts and pies to try to help out with Riddle's anger.

As for if he likes baking? Imma be real, that guy can't not like baking. If he hated baking then he's a masochist (joking) because fucker is baking everyday with a smile and trying get everyone to eat his baking and constantly sharing all the goodies he's made (genuine). He's baking constantly in both the game and in manga. There are so many instances where he bakes experimentally, he bakes recreationally or bakes for his dorm. There're so many instances where he just carries cupcakes and scones and cookies everywhere. He bakes some to share with his Science club members, shares some type of goody with every iteration of the Yuu's (mangas and game). He goes out of his way to buy new recipe books with his own money to bake more things. In one vignette he bought an entire recipe book specifically so he can learn to bake this one (1) type of dessert he saw once because he liked the way the dessert looked so much that he wanted to make it and went and BOUGHT AN ENTIRE NEW RECIPE BOOK just to make that one dessert. That guy likes to bake. Yeah sure, he says "i don't bake with love 😏" but that doesn't mean anything in the context of NRC which is "emotionally repressed anti-feelings" central where nearly everyone can't be genuine and blunt with their feelings and emotions (even the more blunt and jovial characters have some deep sadness or deep trauma stuff that gets hinted at several times like with Cater, Kalim, Silver and Sebek). Folks in NRC are emotionally repressed and hate admitting connection with each other. Seriously, check out Yuurei20's post on how often the term "friend" is used in the original Japanese, there's very few canonical mentions of them calling each other friend EXCEPT WHEN ENGLISH TRANSLATION ADDED IT otherwise they don't normally actually acknowledge their connections and some never actually say friend at all. They'll call each other classmates or something but in JP they don't really like to acknowledge closeness.

Trey clearly likes to bake and invests a significant amount of time into it beyond just occasional cooking duty and he also shares his goods with practically everyone. Yeah sure he's from a family of bakers and I've seen some people say that "oh but he's just baking because of his family job" but it's not like they urgently need their son, who's in class and currently at the magic boarding school, to bake everyday for their baking needs and i guarantee that he doesn't need to go out of his way to get experimental with his baking and wouldn't bake that often if it's just cause of family business or practice. Plus if it's just that then why would he go out of his way to buy recipe books just cause he saw a single dessert that inspired him. He's not just baking for family business reasons. Trey likes to bake.

Honestly, I'm not surprised he says that he doesn't bake with love especially in a place like NRC. As mentioned earlier, everyone gets so weird and pressed about connection and also makes fun of each other for expressing care. Some even get anxious about another's intentions if given unasked for help (notable when Kalim helped Azul get his hat in the manga and Azul stresses about trying to repay this favor). Also baking is just a hobby, similar to crafting, drawing or writing and sometimes people just take satisfaction and joy in simply doing those things. When someone makes something, they don't always have to put in heartfelt feelings in it per se. When someone draws, sometimes it's cathartic or you just felt inspired and just wanted to draw. Sometimes it is specifically to destress or to get out feelings. Sometimes drawing is just because you can do it so you did. Similarly, baking can just be because you wanted to and you like baking. Plus it makes sense Trey wasn't like "i put all my love and feelings in my baking<3" because in the context of that line he seemed to be referencing baking for his peers and strangers. He's baking for people in his school or for events. So Honestly yeah??? Of course Trey wouldn't say he puts love in his baking. He's baking for his friends, for his club and for dorm stuff and also bakes experimental recipes. He isn't stirring that bowl of batter and going "now to put in all of my love and dedication <3" during those times because it would be kinda odd for most of those scenarios tbh. For experimental recipes, you're low-key kinda just fucking around and taking notes to see what works and i imagine trey would be doing the same and wouldn't be emotional over his bowl of batter during this time. For his club and dorm stuff, Trey isn't super close with EVERYONE in there and he's just trying to make sure there's enough so again fitting that he's not going "made with love". If he's making treats for his friends then he certainly tends to put in more effort, usually in regards to taste and diet (notable with vil and Cater as he tends to make things that they will actually like) and seems to like compliments on his cooking especially from those he's closer to. While he does put in that extra care which implies closer bonds, i do think most of the nrc boys would still be put off if trey was like "for you, made with love <3" (i think Ace would make fun of him so hard and even cater would be thrown for a loop). I will also note that in several vignettes as well as in several scenes in the manga, he gets genuinely put out if someone doesn't want to eat his cooking (notably in the manga if people were too busy to eat though this also happens in game) and in a few vignettes he even tries to adjust what he makes and what he pairs it with specifically so they will eat more of what he makes (notably with Vil and trying to make light desserts and pastries as well as pairing it with certain preferred teas) which to me shows he does put care and thoughtfulness into his baking even if he doesn't say it outright.

Long story short: Trey is not uncaring (he looks out for his dormmates and friends even baking treats specifically for their taste when he can), he likes baking (he wouldn't be so invested in trying new recipes, looking for inspiration or going out of his way to experiment with his baking if he wasn't), he's not really scheming so much as he's trying to keep the peace and avoid conflict to the point of either keeping quiet, thwarting shenanigans (notably with ace and deuce), or hiding his abilities (he's not like Azul, jamil or Leona who are aiming for top spot and in fact trey dislikes added fuss and dislikes the spotlight), and he's mischievous and petty at times though notably with those that are also mischievous or petty (he will mess with his younger dorm members though will try to stop them from actually messing up like with the oyster sauce joke for the chestnut tarts, and sometimes messes with others)

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Ngl the fact that the Ghost Camera is given to yuu and yuu is apparently able to use it (and technically supposed to capture moments around the campus with it) is a really slept on fact.

Especially considering what the ghost camera can do according to how it's described. The ghost camera is an old bit of magic tech or more like straight magic item. it takes a photo and prints it out. It captures a bit of the soul (parts of it at least) to capture the moment like a small video etc. Notably these photos are more likely to come to life and interact (?) if the subjects are close to the photographer. They can eventually break out of the photo. Basically a photo ghost of someone but only if you're close enough to the person since it's still a part of their soul. Like having a small sample for memories. It doesn't seem to be able to harm others, and it doesn't affect health nor does the small bit seem to do much. (Crowley's wording seems to imply that memories are also parts of the soul and perhaps souls can have parts taken in various ways??? Or perhaps it's a bit like life energy and can be regained naturally? Or maybe the camera just creates a copy the same way photographing light and images doesn't suddenly take away light and the physical subject? Idk it's magic and Wonderland uses soft magic system so stuff is purposely vague)

Basically you can have a photo of your friend and then a photo ghost version of your friend can bust out if y'all are close enough. Ghosts can fight and do stuff in and since it's a photo these photo ghosts can probably rest in the photos if damaged or tired.

Also skully?? Omg skully could be brought around through it considering it allows photos that can become photo ghosts if they're close enough!

Screenshots of the way Crowley describes the thing.

Literally have parts of people's souls???? Just have some in my photos ig, also they will come out and interact and do stuff if y'all get close enough. There's fic potential here

When you become besties you get to have a version of them in the form of photo ghosts???? Bro the potential??? They can just come out randomly??? And also only if the subject is close enough to the photographer (Yuu). Also they're the photo ghost version so they likely aren't like fully the og but more like the core parts since they're made directly from the soul and directly influenced by the connection. Fic potential of a way more unfiltered and honest version of your guys LMAO

Also LMAO we're the official snitch????? Half student and full time snitch??? Bro what??

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I'm going insane cause i was kinda just thinking about fic potential and x reader potential of the fact Yuu is given a magical artifact, the Ghost Camera, which can capture parts of the soul and the fact that the photos can come to life (possibly even a bit of a mind of their own though they're still a version of the subject in the photo so it'll be a copy who's true form is still the photo most likely) but then i was fact checking with lines involving the Ghost Camera before noticing something so odd.

CORPORAL AS IN IT BECOMES PHYSICAL???

The ghost camera doesn't JUST make photo ghosts. They aren't JUST ghost like. They're corporeal. CORPOREAL. PHYSICAL. They can come to life (for a time, they are still a photo originally). If the person/subject in the in the photos feel close enough to the photographer then they straight up come out??????? Like the Ghost Camera captures small parts of the soul, namely in the form of memories and then it's influenced by the soul bond and if they are friendly enough or are close enough with the photographer the damn photo can come to life? Does it matter how close one feels to the photographer or is mainly if the subject has enough connection/affection to the photographer? Like it won't come to life if there's not enough of a connection but how equal do they have to feel connected? Can a picture of someone you feel is an acquaintance come to life if they feel close enough or feel strongly for you? Like how equal does the connection need to be? Would a pic of someone you think of as just a lab friend come to life if theres unrequited feelings or thinks y'all are much closer friends than just preferred lab partner?? Also they Can just come out of the photo?????? Can come out and pick shit up???? Touch things??

Also magicless yuu can use it at will according to Crowley.

I'm still trying verify it through lines just in case but the camera lowkey just stops getting mentioned after a bit but like???? So far it seems so???

Crowley why did you give magicless Yuu a damn doppelganger printer????? (Technically not doppelganger cause the photo is indicative of the subjects/person's friendliness to the photographer and it's still a magic photo in origin like it's true form is a magic photo but still)

There's a LOT of potential in that for fics (dealing with "jealousy" with their own self, the fact it's parts of the soul that are influenced by emotion and connection meaning it is likely more honest, the fact it's incredibly similar to a doppelganger and it's fucking PHYSICAL) but also Crowley what the fuck.

Like it's corporeal. It's physical....

Calls it "wicked keen". That's a doppelganger bruh, there's something that feels a connection to photographer Yuu made from the parts of soul of the person in that pic and it was brought to life through feeling connected????

Bro there's great fic potential for lots, (having their crush outed by their own clone, getting jealous of themselves by accident, goofs or yandere etc) but also that's high key a doppelganger and every horror story will tell you it's gonna beef with your friend so it can live out it's friendship connection with photographer yuu like damn.

I'm crying 😭 what like what??? What do you mean if the subject feels close enough??? Soulbound???

like, there's good fic potential here. Lots. Also any additions are appreciated.

Edit: the post where i was initially just thinking about photo ghosts and ghost camera ideas in wonderland also where i started to realize the wording

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Edit: for clarity this is for anyone to use etc. so also if you also like the ideas please add to it. I just like the potential of photo ghosts and ghost camera

Ngl the fact that the Ghost Camera is given to yuu and yuu is apparently able to use it (and technically supposed to capture moments around the campus with it) is a really slept on fact.

Especially considering what the ghost camera can do according to how it's described. The ghost camera is an old bit of magic tech or more like straight magic item. it takes a photo and prints it out. It captures a bit of the soul (parts of it at least) to capture the moment like a small video etc. Notably these photos are more likely to come to life and interact (?) if the subjects are close to the photographer. They can eventually break out of the photo. Basically a photo ghost of someone but only if you're close enough to the person since it's still a part of their soul. Like having a small sample for memories. It doesn't seem to be able to harm others, and it doesn't affect health nor does the small bit seem to do much. (Crowley's wording seems to imply that memories are also parts of the soul and perhaps souls can have parts taken in various ways??? Or perhaps it's a bit like life energy and can be regained naturally? Or maybe the camera just creates a copy the same way photographing light and images doesn't suddenly take away light and the physical subject? Idk it's magic and Wonderland uses soft magic system so stuff is purposely vague)

Basically you can have a photo of your friend and then a photo ghost version of your friend can bust out if y'all are close enough. Ghosts can fight and do stuff in canon and since it's a photo these photo ghosts can probably rest in the photos if damaged or tired.

Also skully?? Omg skully could be brought around through it considering it allows photos that can become photo ghosts if they're close enough!

Screenshots of the way Crowley describes the thing.

Literally have parts of people's souls???? Just have some in my photos ig, also they will come out and interact and do stuff if y'all get close enough. There's fic potential here

When you become besties you get to have a version of them in the form of photo ghosts???? Bro the potential??? They can just come out randomly??? And also only if the subject is close enough to the photographer (Yuu). Also they're the photo ghost version so they likely aren't like fully the og but more like the core parts since they're made directly from the soul and directly influenced by the connection. Fic potential of a way more unfiltered and honest version of your guys LMAO

Also LMAO we're the official snitch????? Half student and full time snitch??? Bro what??

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Fuck

This babadookdook shit is fucking up my anxiety but I'm invested

Hate when the demons is also mental illness ughhgh

Me watching mental illness and actual demons fuck up this poor ladies life and this poor kids not having a good time and having a fucked up time too and also make her become fucked up aggghghhhhhh

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Sits like this like the most folded up shrimp backed pretzel and then wonders why i feel back pain and neck pain

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My new gorgeous gray sons (goat, accurate marine isopod, and seal)

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Man, depression is kicking my ass a bit

Just ugh

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Doodles

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Ah

Stepped on glass again

Was really hoping it was like idk a piece of wood or ramen but no

Glass

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AAUGHGGGGGGGGGGGHHH

I spilled coffee on my practice dooodlessssss

I was practicinggggggggg

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Pet Peeve of Mine

Sometimes I'm reminded that folks don't know how to regulate and curate their online experience, most notably in fandom or in fictional media but also just in general. I understand everyone has their likes and dislikes, someone's yum is someone's ick. I also get that plenty of folks have stuff going on that makes them distressed when they do see certain images or topics etc. Certainly, one should do what they need to do to make sure they're comfortable and aren't becoming overly distressed by their online experience. This is why block buttons on social media exist, this is why there are filters and search functions on nearly every site. To help curate content you like in art, topics, tropes, settings, images, text, or animations etc and block content you dislike in these as well. There are ways to navigate things online, by using those tools provided by the site or even by using add-ons etc. The Internet is a Public Space, there are many different types of sites and topics and activities for everyone including topics, activities, and people one might not like or might find odd. For example, Someone with a fear or distaste for insects and other invertebrates might not like an entomology enthusiasts group or a bug appreciation community.

However, because the Internet is a Public Space, the responsibility of ensuring one doesn't see things or interact with things they don't like falls on the person. It falls on the individual to block the topics and contents one finds distasteful or upsetting. If an individual doesn't like bugs then they must block the bug and/or insect tag or exclude it from their feed/search on the site they're using with the site's filter. If an individual finds yandere, dark fics or angst distressing then they need to utilize the functions of that site to remove it from their feed. It is not the job of the entire Internet and/or community one is in to completely censor and cater itself to that individual especially if the site or platform they're using has features and tools for them to use to prevent this and to help them personalize their online experience anyways.

What's truly odd is when these individuals take it upon themselves to harass others instead of simply using the features of the site. To throw a tantrum while completely ignoring the built in tools provided to both prevent this and to address this. It's extremely rude and immature to harass another person, another human being, simply because of an inability to self-regulate. Especially in fiction. Does every dark topic in fiction beget a murderer or criminal? By the logic of many of these individuals, people interact with fiction and immediately embody it. Do you read about the mafia and then immediately search your local area for a recruiter for organized crime? Does fiction truly manifest in reality so completely? If so, then the entirety of the horror genre must be churning out Hannibals and Freddy Kruegers everyday in the millions. Does everyone who reads a single Sherlock Holmes book or who watches a single Conan episode become a top notch detective as well? Do these people also think that you can rival Gordon Ramsey if you play enough Cooking Mama? To think this and then lash out at people with this thinking is immature and petty behavior. It shows A lack of comprehension and an extreme underestimation of people's ability to think and to determine their own selves. This is childish and mainly shows that such an individual is unable to take care of themselves and doesn't know how to use or is unwilling to use the site features but is willing to lash out at a stranger for this. For someone to go after artists, blogs, writers or site users for something that didn't have to be interacted with, that could've simply been blocked or filtered is unhinged especially if that creator/site user has never initiated interaction with them in the first place.

This is just my pet peeve hence why there are no super specific tags besides my own plus the ones i use for my blog. It's just deeply irritating to see and to encounter because it's the same movements and talking points that have happened before since the beginning of fandom, since Star Trek (arguably the oldest and one of the first fandoms though if you stretch the definition then it definitely goes beyond then to when written novels first came around etc). Technically, Fandom discourse has been around since humanity could share stories and discuss them. It's just now you can be an anonymous tantrum ghost on many sites specifically to bicker and it's not even fun like a book club or gossip or getting heated discussing different takes over snacks and drink etc. No, it's usually someone being a faceless no name ghost that's likely obsessively refreshing a page hoping to see a reply or response on whatever site, platform or forum they're on.

It's just annoying to see the same age old stuff but rehashed. Much of it isn't even particularly interesting or different. Same rants about purity (mental, emotional or otherwise), same rants about worrying that it was destroying society, same rants same words same message. It's been rehashed since Victorian times and beyond, concerns about fiction have been around since the days people thought the human body was made of humors and biles and have been rehashed since the days people worried a woman's uterus would fly out of her body if she got in a train. I truly can't bring myself to care or take it seriously tbh... Half of these folks sound like the reincarnated soul of Sigmund Freud. I keep Half expecting some to even spout off about how there should be a way to cut these thoughts out of the brain (reinventing lobotomy) or how "you can just tell by the way someone looks" (reinventing phrenology, the racist idea that someone's head shape can detail their entire life, morality, and their destiny).

Like i just can't. (This isn't direct at anyone really, more so a general phenomenon)

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High-key don't wanna perceive nothing at the moment

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